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I AM having an issue with the current furniture arrangement because there is no good "Tank viewing" seating. Trying to figure that out at the current moment. Last night I sat in there till the lights kicked off and the moonlighting took over and there's no "comfortable" way to view the tank. The best way I could manage was to sit with one arm over the back of the couch, twisted around.... I may move one of the sections of the couch and put some sort of chair so I can sit and enjoy the fruits of all this labor.

Besides..... IMHO you can learn a LOT more just sitting watching fish than you can watching normal Network TV..... but.... AHEM..... that's a subject for a whole new post that doesn't belong on APC. :hand:
 

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I have a chair (like a dining chair or a desk chair) at each one of my tanks. I don't just sit and watch though... I get up close and personal with my tanks. I study them! I think I would like the couch facing that way if it backed right up to the tank. :) The room looks good anyways. :)
 

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Hey Gipsy. :) ..... I am looking for the overgrown jungle look.
Me too. Just about the time I will be:
a) fighting frustration over the ArtPrize considerations or
b) leaving it behind in dispair over cost
This tank will be a growing jungle to cheer me up

I love the new toy. Thanks for the Christmas gift! You have me curious as to who the author is however. I found it interesting that it wouldn't work in firefox and I had to switch over to IE to get it to work. It's quite interesting the results.
My pleasure, I am not the author, just one of the old school geeks who loves it when
other old school geeks program for us. It works in my FireFox 3.latest version.

LFS has some marbled hatchets.... I think My hood is sealed tighly enough
I was going to suggest "egg crate" plastic grating as your hinged hood would hide
it resting on the interior rim; however as an extra precaution you might wish to stretch a
piece of tulle netting over-top of the egg crate. I do not think I have ever had hatchets,
so the netting could not hurt. Saint Marie, patroness of hair-brained schemes might like
to consult on this one, she is sure to know what tulle is.

I'm also starting to have an issue with this brown "goo" ...
Diatom my friend. All that silica based everything from glass to sealer products provides
luxury accommodations for it/them. These too shall pass, eventually.

Re: Champagne Yeast sponge; Um, I just did my yeast sponge for the shrimparium last night,
I heard belching from somewhere close by.
Next thing I know I have fog in the shrimparium. I speedily removed it from the filter,
looked at the shoulder of the bottle that was supposed to be clear for head-room, um no.
I had sponge making it's way all the way to the check valve, 3-4 feet away from the bottle.
I loosened the cap, cleaned out the tube, put it on the planted, same thing. I ended up
having to position the sponge above the tank so pressure would keep the sponge
from migrating again. As I look at it now, 24hrs later, still cannot move it.
I'm just saying.

I make homemade, organic Ginger Ale.
Want the recipe, please. And I might add, a previous hysterical laughing fit threatened
to erupt again.

Well.... the last bottle I opened (with the Champagne yeast)..... heh... Hehhh... heh.....
This is why Saint Marie has earned her pedestal in my hall of fame of tolerant women
right next to Mrs. IntoTheNew.

Also.... I got a WILD hair up my butt yesterday, and swapped the furniture in the two rooms involved in this project, and decorated... set up lamps.... All that good stuff. Dear Marie came home.... walked in.... and LITERALLY..... for the FIRST time ever.... was ACTUALLY SPEECHLESS! The first thing she did was ask me if I have a fever. The second thing she said was "Who are you and what have you done with my boyfriend?"
See previous comment.

The couch, rather the color of the couch made the finished room project.
I'll admit to some skepticism re: the beam treatment. However, the couch tied it in
very well.
Go buy Miss Marie something very pretty that she can show
off and brag about. [thought for sure this was the board with the champagne cork popping]
 

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Wow. So much to respond to!!!!!

Me too. Just about the time I will be:
a) fighting frustration over the ArtPrize considerations or
b) leaving it behind in dispair over cost
This tank will be a growing jungle to cheer me up
Ummmm.... Good luck with that.

My pleasure, I am not the author, just one of the old school geeks who loves it when
other old school geeks program for us. It works in my FireFox 3.latest version.

I was going to suggest "egg crate" plastic grating as your hinged hood would hide
it resting on the interior rim; however as an extra precaution you might wish to stretch a
piece of tulle netting over-top of the egg crate. I do not think I have ever had hatchets,
so the netting could not hurt. Saint Marie, patroness of hair-brained schemes might like
to consult on this one, she is sure to know what tulle is.
My "Welder" friend stopped by the other day and I showed him what the steel he donated was used for. I expressed my concern about the hatchets... and he looked at it and came up with an awesome idea: Buy cheap paint brushes and screw them in place over the cutouts in the back of the hood so the bristles cover the openings. It will be flexible enough to not mess with the pipes. I have to run up to Lowes tomorrow so I might try this.

Diatom my friend. All that silica based everything from glass to sealer products provides
luxury accommodations for it/them. These too shall pass, eventually.
LFS sold me three tiny Otos.... I figured there was NO way they were gonna put a dent in it.... but these little buggers are cleanin' HOUSE! In three days the situation is bearable now!

Re: Champagne Yeast sponge; Um, I just did my yeast sponge for the shrimparium last night,
I heard belching from somewhere close by.
Next thing I know I have fog in the shrimparium. I speedily removed it from the filter,
looked at the shoulder of the bottle that was supposed to be clear for head-room, um no.
I had sponge making it's way all the way to the check valve, 3-4 feet away from the bottle.
I loosened the cap, cleaned out the tube, put it on the planted, same thing. I ended up
having to position the sponge above the tank so pressure would keep the sponge
from migrating again. As I look at it now, 24hrs later, still cannot move it.
I'm just saying.
I'm still gonna try it but I'll watch it carefully. I'm currently using a 1 gal wine jug as my fermenter with a half gal wine jug for my "puke" bottle, in case it does overflow. I THINK it should be sufficient.... but again.... I'll watch it because of my experience with the ginger ale... :-?

Want the recipe, please. And I might add, a previous hysterical laughing fit threatened to erupt again.
The recipe can be found at Learning Herbs I bottle mine in empty Grolsch flip top beer bottles.... Gives me a good excuse to do my best to make sure there is a "steady supply" of empties on hand.:drinkers:

This is why Saint Marie has earned her pedestal in my hall of fame of tolerant women
right next to Mrs. IntoTheNew.

See previous comment.

The couch, rather the color of the couch made the finished room project.
I'll admit to some skepticism re: the beam treatment. However, the couch tied it in
very well.
Go buy Miss Marie something very pretty that she can show
off and brag about. [thought for sure this was the board with the champagne cork popping]
I have to tell you.... Almost EVERYONE without exception had concerns about the Beams..... but I knew.... I KNEW it was gonna work because I knew what couch was coming in here.

Latest update:

My mother is the long lost sister of Martha dang Stewart. When I started talking about what I was doing up here, it became her massive Christmas gift. Pillows to match my colors, art glass fish (each weighs 5 pounds) this metal fish wall hanging.... candles.... a vase to match everything.... a hunk of Himalayan salt that has a light in it... (Looks AWESOME all lit up.) I'll have to make a separate post JUST of what my crazy mother got me for Christmas for the room.... and she did it all with respect in regards to Saint Marie.... not wanting to step on her toes. I was impressed.... on both counts. :D
 

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I am beginning to suspect someone in your direct line of antecedents is
related to mine. Gotta love those Polish women, most of the old schoolers
are just like Martha, without the cash, jail time or tv show.
Half of SW Jersey is related to me in some way as is
the population of Philly. Nesgodas, Nietzgodkas, Duczkowskis and a
few others I have yet to nail down. We will leave Duluth MN alone
as they have populated three states.

So you are running one(?) 1g for a 90g tank? And are you using a drop checker?

P.S. My apt smells like a flippin distillery; yeast concoctions, bread baking
and a few bananas that did not make it into banana bread.
 

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I am beginning to suspect someone in your direct line of antecedents is
related to mine. Gotta love those Polish women, most of the old schoolers
are just like Martha, without the cash, jail time or tv show.
Half of SW Jersey is related to me in some way as is
the population of Philly. Nesgodas, Nietzgodkas, Duczkowskis and a
few others I have yet to nail down. We will leave Duluth MN alone
as they have populated three states.

So you are running one(?) 1g for a 90g tank? And are you using a drop checker?

P.S. My apt smells like a flippin distillery; yeast concoctions, bread baking
and a few bananas that did not make it into banana bread.
On my Father's side we go back to 1713 in NJ....


I really haven't started tracing my mother's side yet.... but there is a large Kochinski influence here in North Jersey... That's the bulk of my family... :)

Now.... I KNOW that a 1gal is insufficient. I have to go out and get some airline plumbing stuff... Some "Tees" and a few more check valves.... This WAS going to be a strictly "au natural" tank with no Co2, but after seeing how well it helped out the little 2.5 gal tank, I did decide to add it. (albeit not properly.)

I need something new to tinker with, so I think that this just might fit the bill.... I SHOULD tell you however... that I have a batch of home brew beer going, and made one loaf of white and one 10 grain whole wheat bread last night.... so it smells similar around here too.....

#-o Ummmmm..... a drop checker? Hmmmmm..... I think I read about one of those once.... I'll have to go do some MORE reading.... see if it's something I can McGyver up. Just when you think this thread was over.... I get to borrow a quote from the late great Billy Mayes.... "BUT WAIT! THERE'S MORE!!!!"
 

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This dang internet thing is gonna get me in trouble!!!!!

You mentioned a drop checker.... so I went and looked up Drop Checkers on here.... and then I started reading more about DIY Co2..... and then I read this:

I wonder if the alcohol at the result is drinkable? Just curious since it is yeast.
The creative juices of McGyverisms smacked me in the head.....

Saint Marie, Patroness Saint of All Hair Brained Schemes is DEFINITELY going to roll her eyes at me when she comes home tonight..... :snakeman:
 

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This dang internet thing is gonna get me in trouble!!!!!

You mentioned a drop checker.... so I went and looked up Drop Checkers on here.... and then I started reading more about DIY Co2..... and then I read this:

The creative juices of McGyverisms smacked me in the head.....

Saint Marie, Patroness Saint of All Hair Brained Schemes is DEFINITELY going to roll her eyes at me when she comes home tonight..... :snakeman:
Hah!!! Just make sure you use a brewer's yeast. I have made a couple batches of DYI CO2-wine. Using the usual ingrdients it was pretty rough (very yeasty), but stepping things up a notch and using carbon filtration later hte end result wasn't all that bad. But since then I got tired of it and don't do CO2 anymore.
 

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Yeah, I was nosing around in that same thread. I am interested in
anonapersona's gelatin recipe; however upon reading the updates
this morning, I ran across your cider. That got me thinking about
the kombucha I made last summer and the ginger pop, er soda recipe.

I am not sure kombucha fermented ginger tea would produce enough CO(2)
to be useful to my tanks; however it might be a passable addition
to an established DIYCO(2) rig. I will have to wait until after the
first of the year to purchase a mother fungus as mine acquired
red-slime. My fault entirely; I had the fermenting jar too close
to the kitchen sink, a slow leak from some pipe undetected for months,
spoiled the mother.
I should have known better; with our iron rich water,
we have an irritating red-slime problem constantly in the bathroom
if we do not hit every porcelain surface with a chlorinated product,
regularly. It does not help that the dissolved calcium & salts trap
that junk, requiring a jack-hammer to remove it.

P.S. Try not to push your luck with Saint Marie, the holiday glow of
a newly decorated room will eventually wear off and it is a loooooog
way to February at this time ;)

 

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As expected.... I got a massive eye roll from Saint Marie.... :rolleyes: I think I'm safe this time, because she likes the eventual results of this little experiment.

I have managed to seamlessly meld two hobbies together......

The Us Military has what they call the "MOAB". Their love for anachronisms is humorous. MOAB Stands for Mother Of All Bombs.

My anachronism sounds like some funky Hawaiian name. MOACO2. Gipsy! SEE what you started!!!!!

I got the idea, and started running all over the house to assembling all the little gizmo's and gadgets I needed. Then I ran out to the store to get the rest. One stop at LFS for airline tubing, check valves and some Tees.... then the local food store.... and then the Wine store that sells brewing supplies....

It only took me about a half hour to do the whole dang thing start to finish..... Here's the first pic showing everything I used:



Note to self...... Buy apple cider when it is IN SEASON. Much cheaper.

The wine lock attatched.... with a small tube to adapt it to the air line tubing sticking out the top:



A closeup of the wine lock. The tube was just jammed in as it was a tight fit. It MAY be a source for leaks though. Now that it is fermenting well I will check it for leaks. the smaller airline tubing fits INSIDE that tube sticking out of the top of the wine lock. I used a ziptie as a hoseclamp around that to seal it to the airline tubing.



I plumbed it in with a "T" in paralell with the 1gal DIY Jug. CO2 then flows into the puke bottle which is the overflow.... just in case the yeasts get TOO happy. Everything is check valve protected. It then runs into the Fluval 305 intake. When it leaves the output, it is directed under that huge center brace which with my current water level, traps any of the larger bubbles that escaped pulverization and holds them in contact with the water. Here's a picture of the final setup:



I'll let ya'all know how it works out!!!!!! See what you started Gipsy!?!?
 

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As expected.... I got a massive eye roll from Saint Marie.... :rolleyes:
I think I'm safe this time, because she likes the eventual results . . .
I have managed to seamlessly meld two hobbies together......
The Us Military has what they call the "MOAB". Their love for
anachronisms is humorous. MOAB Stands for Mother Of All Bombs.
I'll let ya'all know how it works out!!!!!! See what you started Gipsy!?!?
Moab is doubly humorous as there is another meaning. The biblical story of the
tribes called Moab and Ammon prove to have exactly the same effect upon the
Israelites over a period of time. A google search result for "moab bible" will
return a listing on the second page by an A.P. freelancer who gives a
synoptic version with references. I will leave military intelligence alone as
I was a proud Navy Mom and granddaughter.
I'll cop to inspiring two synaptic paths to fire in conjunction in
the brain of one RestlessCrow; who I note, needs no provocation by me.

I saw that curious curly apparatus in the cork last night; so that is the
air lock. If I had had one of those gadgets, my CO2 line would not
have been so hard to clean; however a loop of air line will suffice, temporarily.
There is a permanent plug of sponge in the lower end of my check valve
compressing the filter material.
I am kicking myself for not listening to my gut and purchasing the
two gang valves on my list. The re-thought plan will be;
one gelatin CO2, one sourdough sponge CO2 and a Ginger
Kombucha tea per tank, theoretically evening out the overall
output of available CO2 with staggered starts.

Let me just conclude with this thought; should the MOAB prove to live up
to it's potential, you will have tested and proved the theory regarding
"testing the patience of a saint" one way or the other. Either you will
have a snappy recycling system keeping everyone happy or the reservations
with regard to the tank patch will become moot.
 

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I'll cop to inspiring two synaptic paths to fire in conjunction in
the brain of one RestlessCrow; who I note, needs no provocation by me.

I saw that curious curly apparatus in the cork last night; so that is the
air lock. If I had had one of those gadgets, my CO2 line would not
have been so hard to clean; however a loop of air line will suffice, temporarily.
There is a permanent plug of sponge in the lower end of my check valve
compressing the filter material.
I am kicking myself for not listening to my gut and purchasing the
two gang valves on my list. The re-thought plan will be;
one gelatin CO2, one sourdough sponge CO2 and a Ginger
Kombucha tea per tank, theoretically evening out the overall
output of available CO2 with staggered starts.

Let me just conclude with this thought; should the MOAB prove to live up
to it's potential, you will have tested and proved the theory regarding
"testing the patience of a saint" one way or the other. Either you will
have a snappy recycling system keeping everyone happy or the reservations
with regard to the tank patch will become moot.
Gipsy m'dear.... While it is not "Your Fault".... You certainly did inspire, albeit indirectly....

I read, and re-read your comment about the air-lock and wanted to mention one thing. The sole purpose of that little curlyque thingamabobber is to exclude the outside atmosphere from entering the fermenting brew, bringing wild yeasts, bacteria and other contaminants that would taint the brew. I have unequivocally demonstrated that it will not keep an overly ambitious colony of yeast from attempting to break the bonds of slavery and and plan a mass exodus to the perceived land of milk and honey. This was proven with my last batch where I used five gallons of cider instead of four and had a three foot wide godawful sticky mess spreading across the kitchen like something out of the movie "The Blob" the next morning when I came down to make my coffee.

This was mainly an experiment in "I'm going to do it because I think I can". Currently I suspect I have a leak, because the output is not as expected, and it IS fermenting along quite nicely. The first place for me to check today is where that larger tube enters the air lock. Still thinking of a way to temporarily attach it, because it needs to be filled with water from the top. I'm thinking of pouring wax in around the tube to affix it. We'll see.
 

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I got tired of DIY CO23 after a couple months... I had 4 2L bottles on a 75 gallon. Great CO2 production, bad algae. All fixed now that I have pressurized. If you do go that way, Orlando at greenleafaquariums.com has an excellent regulator for $150 (bubble counter built right onto it.)
Also, keep in mind that your CO2 production doesn't just magically go from one place to another, there has to be a certain amount of pressure built up in your generation system to push it into the water. So, all your connections have to withstand that pressure. Also, regular airline tubing loses (I read) about 20% of the CO2. Don't know for sure if that's correct though.
 

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I got tired of DIY CO23 after a couple months... I had 4 2L bottles on a 75 gallon. Great CO2 production, bad algae. All fixed now that I have pressurized. If you do go that way, Orlando at greenleafaquariums.com has an excellent regulator for $150 (bubble counter built right onto it.)
Also, keep in mind that your CO2 production doesn't just magically go from one place to another, there has to be a certain amount of pressure built up in your generation system to push it into the water. So, all your connections have to withstand that pressure. Also, regular airline tubing loses (I read) about 20% of the CO2. Don't know for sure if that's correct though.
Thanks Bunnie. :) My connections are withstanding the pressure at the moment. I believe that the check valves add a bit of back pressure however. (Kinda like a car engine: Back pressure in the exhaust = less power) Once things ramp up a bit, I believe my current setup will help out. Again.... you need to keep in mind that I'm trying to meld Au Natural with high tech.

Hairgrass is spreading very nicely, (How tall is that stuff supposed to get? Mine's cresting five inches now!) Crypt just opened a new leaf today, Rotala 'Magenta' was getting too shaded by the backdrop (so was one corkscrew Val) so moved both of them today to get more light. The Lotus.... as usual is doing it's "Audrey" impression from Little Shop of Horrors.

Tested Param's today.... 0 Ammonia, 0 Nitrates, 0 Nitrites... 6.8 pH. Don't have a hardness test kit however. Not too awful bad for a setup that's barely a month old and heavily stocked with livestock.

Diatom's are now almost nonexistant thanks to three determined little Ottos.... a few strings of hair algae.... but REALLY... No complaints at all right now. (Other than the fact that LFS is having a Kuhlie shortage, and the two I have really want some company and don't like to show their whiskered little faces until the lights go out and the moonlighting is on......)

Thanks for the input.... there will be more updates I'm sure.... :)
 

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Ok..... The Holidays are over and I survived hosting a New Year's eve party and having to work an Antique show on New Years day. The Lotus has been pruned back after attempting to shade out the entire left side of the tank.

The Diatom War however, still rages on. In the beginning, the little Oto's Pushed the front forward across enemy lines, but then the Diatoms out flanked the poor little Otos... The Oto's made a valiant effort at holding the line, and even pushing it a bit forward, occupying a little enemy territory, but I'm afraid that the Diatom war has now entered the "trench warfare" phase, with neither side really gaining or losing ground. The poor little Otos always look like their bellies are going to burst. At least they're keeping the Crypt from being overrun.

There is a new enemy emerging at the moment, apparently an invisible enemy as far as the Otos are concerned.... It's this stringy, brownish algae that seems to be thriving in the hairgrass, microsword, and on the Vals Corkscrew. The hairgrass is really starting to grow, sending out runners all over the place, but this brown stuff is taking over the original clump. I suspect I actually have two different algae issues in addition to the diatoms however. The stuff growing on the sword, crypt, and Vals seems to be a little different than the stuff in the hairgrass.

The MOACO2 is working absolutely awesome beyond my wildest dreams.... It took a few days to build up pressure but still.... it's Working awesome.... and when it's done... I don't have to dump it down the drain. :icon_keel

I'm going to throw a few pictures up here of the battlefront.... and solicit advice from you war hardened generals....

Here's one I thought was too cool NOT to publish.... :)



The Brown gunk on the Hairgrass.....



You have to look hard at the next one to see the Vals in the background, and the algae growing on it.



So a few questions to be thrown out here....

I tried removing some of the brown stringy stuff from the Microsword, and took half of the Microsword with it. Should I just leave it alone and let it run it's course?

Dwarf hairgrass.... now over five inches tall.... can I cut it like you could cut a lawn? Just whack the tops off?

The Otos are doing a decent job with the diatoms, so I'm content to watch that aspect of the battle from afar.

Do I just need some more patience with this stuff in the hairgrass or should I take a more proactive approach to dealing with this new battlefront?

There is a clown pleco in there, but he seems to be content lurking about the driftwood on the right side of the tank....

Comments welcome as usual!!!!
 

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I have many BN plecos, and they love the reddish brown algae that starts growing on the gravel and glass. I'm not sure which algae that is though. It's kinda slimy. I also have some black hair algae, looks kinda furry, black, and spreads fast, and the only way to get rid of it that I've found is a bleach dip, unfortuneatly, unless you tear down and bleach the whole system, there will always be some spores somewhere you don't get, and then it spreads again. I have it all over my display tank, but I have 15 SAEs and they keep it mostly in check. It sounds like your cycle is complete, so I would guess none of your algae issues can be attributed to that. I would recommend getting as much of it clean as you can (you have to stop it from interuppting the light the plants get or they will stop growing well, which allows the algae access to more nutrients, which allows them to grow more!!!) and get pressurized CO2. I know you don't want to hear it, but when I had yeast based CO2 as consistant input as I could manage, I had a ton of algae issues too. I switched to pressurized, and I've not seen any algae since, except the GSA which is expected and very minor. Maybe some other of my cohorts can explain why that is, I don't know.
 

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You guys are a stitch! LOL This is the first time I've ever heard of a planted tank being an excuse for running a distillery for hard cider or hard tea!!! .... gives a new meaning to the term "creative juices".
Tex.... A LOT of the things I do.... I do because nobody told me I COULDN'T do them.... That and because I think it would be cool. :biggrin: Kinda like my hood lift mechanism..... (See pictures a few pages back....) Would I advise someone ELSE to do it? Not really. I have a few misgivings, and won't let ANYONE open the hood but me. I'm gonna go get some of those gas charged shocks, like they use to lift the hatchback of a car and attach them to help lift the hood and hold it. But No one told me I couldn't do it so I did!!!!!

@ Bunnie:

My current fish load is as such:

1 Clown Pleco
3 Otos
18 Cardinals
6 Rummies
1 Dwarf Gourami
3 Cories
2 Kuhlies. (LFS has had a shortage for forever and I won't buy any livestock from anywhere else.)

Tank size according to 7.4gal/cuft. is 83 gal.
Tank is semi densely planted, waiting for stem plants to be due for a pruning, so I can re-plant them.....

IYHO.... you think I can add some BN Plecs or Sae's? Personally I want More Rummies, but if I can't see them through the algae.... then it's a waste. :(

Ammonia, Nitrite and Nitrate have ALL tested Absolutely Zero. (And keep in mind this is a blend of AuNatural with a topsoil substrate, but I have two filters and DIYCO2.)

And this next one I'm throwing out there to all of you who read..... What type of wine should I make next? Fresh fruit? (My favorites....) Pear, rasberry, or just about anything in season really.... Or should I do a more conventional run like a Merlot or Chardonnay? I already know what Saint Marie will vote on this one but I wanna get YOUR opinions.... :biggrin:
 

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I love Merlot!! Yum, wish I had some right now... long day.

The thing about planted tanks, is that bioload is really different than with non-planted. You could easily have both - and many of them. They say 1 inch of fish per gallon, right? But your plants really make a huge difference in that. I've run tanks for months with perfect perameters with 3 inches of fish per gallon.
Your Otos, Corys and most likely your Pleco are BTS fish right? You hardly ever see them I imagine because they are hiding? Siamese Algae Eaters are awesome fish. They are fun to watch school and they are very useful. If you add them, get no less than 6. BN Plecos are very active too - eager eaters. :) And pretty easy to breed, I've recently found out.


I can't wait to see more PICTURES!! Hint....
 
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