Interesting. I've never heard of that before. How old is old-school? 
Yamato Green
This should ring a bell to you old-school folks. Yamato Green used to be a very popular fertilizer back in the day. Anyone using it now? Any thoughts about this fert, primarily their trace product?
http://www.yamatogreen.com/
http://www.yamatogreen.com/
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We are only talking about four or five years ago. It was very popular amoungst a small group of people, that came from a couple small forums. Your moderator Jan was one of the people, and its biggest supporters were Vicki and 2many, who were members of Jans forum, (Vicki was also one of my moderators. They are both gone now))
The Yamato products were created by a gentleman in chicago, and chose the name because it sounded Japanese! I guess there are still people out there that swear by it. As far as I know, the products were never mass produced and sold in any stores. I could be wrong.
The Yamato products were created by a gentleman in chicago, and chose the name because it sounded Japanese! I guess there are still people out there that swear by it. As far as I know, the products were never mass produced and sold in any stores. I could be wrong.
We use it here at The Cause, and like his products.
If my memory serves me right, and that's not always the case, it was used back in 2000-2003 or so. It was popular among some circles, possibly as an alternative to ADA ferts that the American person couldn't purchase (hence Robert's info about the name). It seemingly disappeared after that, probably due to the increased popularity of Seachem, Tropica, and CSM-B.
ombcat, can you elaborate on why you use and like it?
ombcat, can you elaborate on why you use and like it?
It's really tough to legally launch a commercial product in the United States. You have to comply with all of the federal and various state's licensing requirements.
Even SeaChem briefly quit selling in one of the states (Wisconsin I believe it was) because the state regulators there were not satisfied with their labeling requirements.
Companies like Tropica, Seachem, and Plant Products ... have all filed all of the federal and state regulatory paperwork which includes permits, fees, and testing ... a relatively expensive and time consuming process...
It is something I explored repeatedly and could never find a viable economic model to justify pursuing it ...
I always thought it was a great idea ... but could never find a viable economic model that could cover the compliance costs. And for years I had a basement full of empty dosing bottles to prove it <grin>...
Now I don't know whether he his still doing it or not ... but I was fascinated when he tested an idea that I had previously tried and was unsuccessful with ... where he placed the do-it-yourself dry ingredients in a plastic bottle and shipped you the bottle with instructions to just add water ... I was sort of surprised when that idea "flopped" for me - but I can sort of understand why, because the cost of the bottle is about 100 times the cost of the individual plant nutrients that go into it ... I still think the convenience of having a nice dosing bottle should have made that idea work, not to mention that it saves the shipping cost of not having to ship water when compared to other commercial liquid alternatives...
If someone wants to send me a set of his products, I would be happy to test them out and report back ... I have tested just about every commercial product I am aware of - and each seem to have their positive characteristics. When I test, I test against both hard water and softwater, high light and low light, and a variety of different plant species. You will OFTEN get very different results just from those few variations.
A DIY approach that I normally use gives you a cost advantage because it is cheaper - HOWEVER - if cost isn't an issue, then convenience becomes an extremely valuable factor - everything else being equal of course.
The key is to find the right product that works well for you with your unique environmental variables and lifestyle!
Greg Watson
Even SeaChem briefly quit selling in one of the states (Wisconsin I believe it was) because the state regulators there were not satisfied with their labeling requirements.
Companies like Tropica, Seachem, and Plant Products ... have all filed all of the federal and state regulatory paperwork which includes permits, fees, and testing ... a relatively expensive and time consuming process...
It is something I explored repeatedly and could never find a viable economic model to justify pursuing it ...
I always thought it was a great idea ... but could never find a viable economic model that could cover the compliance costs. And for years I had a basement full of empty dosing bottles to prove it <grin>...
Now I don't know whether he his still doing it or not ... but I was fascinated when he tested an idea that I had previously tried and was unsuccessful with ... where he placed the do-it-yourself dry ingredients in a plastic bottle and shipped you the bottle with instructions to just add water ... I was sort of surprised when that idea "flopped" for me - but I can sort of understand why, because the cost of the bottle is about 100 times the cost of the individual plant nutrients that go into it ... I still think the convenience of having a nice dosing bottle should have made that idea work, not to mention that it saves the shipping cost of not having to ship water when compared to other commercial liquid alternatives...
If someone wants to send me a set of his products, I would be happy to test them out and report back ... I have tested just about every commercial product I am aware of - and each seem to have their positive characteristics. When I test, I test against both hard water and softwater, high light and low light, and a variety of different plant species. You will OFTEN get very different results just from those few variations.
A DIY approach that I normally use gives you a cost advantage because it is cheaper - HOWEVER - if cost isn't an issue, then convenience becomes an extremely valuable factor - everything else being equal of course.
The key is to find the right product that works well for you with your unique environmental variables and lifestyle!
Greg Watson
Well I sold the product briefly back in back in 02 or 03... something like that. It had nothing to do with Amano. The guy told me, if I remember correctly, that his wife is japanese and they just came up with the name. It never disappeared. He's still out there, still has his WEB site and apparently still sells it. Its kinda of a grass roots product. It had its own little cult following and never really got any bigger than that. Maybe Greg remembers Aquarium landscapes. The Yamato products were packaged pretty much the same way as them. Same bottles, same cheap lables. There was one for trace, one for nitrogen, one for iron... and whatever else. I don't remember. People who liked it were just finatical about it and extremely loyal. I could never figure it out.
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